The Palestine Red Crescent Society confirmed today that Israeli occupation
forces have killed at least thirty Palestinian civilians in Jenin's refugee
camp today. Eyewitnesses inside the camp confirm that Israeli bulldozers
have leveled the refugee camp's front row homes while the families were
still inside.

While the confirmed thirty victims were killed in one of the camp's street,
the total number of casualties in the camp is estimated to be at least 100.
Many victims are buried under the rubble while scores others have been torn
to pieces by the exploding tank shells; dozens others have bled to death
inside their homes and in front of their traumatized family members.

Six Palestinians were confirmed killed in the camp during the early hours of
the morning and identified. The rest of the victims remain unidentified
while the number of injuries has been impossible to confirm, but is feared
to be in the hundreds.

Since the early hours of the morning, Israeli Apache helicopters and tanks
have been bombarding the densely populated refugee camp, where at least
150,00 people reside in an area that barely reaches 1 square kilometer. In
fact, for the first time in its history of aggression, Israeli F-16 fighter
jets have bombarded the Jenin refugee camp, in an offensive clearly meant to
exact the maximum number of civilian casualties.

Official sources estimate that in the past two days, the Jenin refugee camp
has been bombarded with more missiles and tank shells than all those Israeli
occupation forces have used against Palestinian targets in the past year and
a half.

Israeli occupation forces continue to adamantly refuse to allow any
ambulance from reaching the refugee camp, even to collect the bodies. Two
days ago, Israeli bulldozers destroyed a make-shift mass grave that the camp
's residents had made to bury their loved ones during the last Israeli
invasion in February. The horrific scene resulting from the destruction was
that of bodies removed from their graves and strewn across the street.
Eyewitness accounts also confirm that Israeli tanks patrolling the street
have crushed a number of bodies that medical crews have been unable to
collect.

In a telephone interview with Al-Jazeera television, Umm Jihad, a camp
resident, described the desperate situation; "The shelling has not stopped.
We are all cornered in our homes, unable to sleep, move, or help those who
are pleading for help as they bleed in the camp's streets. The Israeli
bulldozers are leveling homes over their residents' heads and without a
prior warning. When we called health officials to ask for help, we were
informed that the occupation soldiers confiscated the ambulances' keys in
order to debilitate them. Our situation is one of indescribable suffering
and desperation for no one is intervening to save our children, who are
dying in front of our own helpless eyes".

In an unprecedented breach of human rights, Israeli occupation soldiers
announced in the afternoon that they would cease their fire in order to
allow the women and elderly to get water only to arrest them and use them as
human shields later on. Since the residents have had no water for days, a
number of women and elderly men came out of their homes. However, as they
reached the camp's entrance, where Israeli tanks and personnel carriers are,
they were all detained. Shortly after that, residents reported hearing the
Israeli forces calling out on the microphone to the resistance fighters and
security officers to surrender in order to save the lives of the detained
civilians. The detainees were seen strapped to the tanks and personnel
carriers, which resumed their bombardment campaign shortly after that call
for surrender.. Strikingly, the Israeli officer previously heading the Jenin
reoccupation offensive was reprimanded and removed from his duty after
having failed to take over the camp in the past four days. Currently, Shaul
Mofaz, Israel's Chief of Staff, heads the brutal operation personally.
Palestinian officials have thus held him directly responsible for the
atrocities taking place in the Jenin refugee camp.

Jenin's three humble hospitals have confirmed that since today, they have
run out of fuel, needed to keep the electricity generators running after
Israeli occupation forces plunged the city into total darkness four days
ago. The hospitals have also run out of water.

As always, times of war and unbounded devastation bring about the most
extraordinary acts of courage and ingenuity. Reports from Jenin's Al-Razi
Hospital confirm that a doctor was successful in conducting life saving
brain surgery to Burhan Samir Burhan, who was critically injured in the
head. Surprisingly, the doctor, who was not specialized in such complicated
surgeries, concluded the operation successfully through the help of a
specialized doctor in Ramallah's Public Hospital, who was on the phone with
him throughout the operation!

Since yesterday, the Palestinian leadership has warned repeatedly, through
numerous appeals, of a possible second Sabra and Shatila massacre, only this
time it would be in Jenin. "The Palestinian leadership urgently appeals to
the international community and the Arab leaders to immediately intervene
and help save the residents of the Jenin refugee camp for they have been the
victims of a brutal war campaign, lead personally by Israel's Chief of
Staff, Shaul Mofaz", read a leadership statement. It added, "We hold the
international community responsible for delaying any intervention that could
spare the refugee camp's residents from a sure massacre".

So far, no international party has intervened to stop the ongoing massacre.

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you published that type of non-sense in any city IDF went into... no genocide and no nothing. 2-3 civilians might have got killed (unfortunately) but all the rest (about 30) are fighting gunmen. I accept your claims that some medical aid is being denied and i don't know why.

I have seen your name all over indymedia denying that the Palestinian people are being massacred as we speak. You consistenly deny that Palestinian civilians are being murdered on a massive scale, characterizing the vast majority as Terrorists. Are the families being bulldozed in the Jenin refugee camps all Terrorists? When you admit that the reports of medics being detained and kept from their work are true, you qualify that with an "I don't know why." Why do you think!? Israelis want to exterminate the Palestinian people, using the Warsaw ghetto as a model in their street sweeping and detainment practices.

You dismiss every report on indymedia as propaganda, as you spout the most ridiculous Zionist garbage. Wake up!!!

you cannot deny the truth! the world knows that the IDF is executing a genocide and we will not let people like you silence us. its disgusting that people just send emails without being informed. the US/israeli propaganda machine has got your mind. try reading history. think what you want but the truth remains, palestine will be free! bush sharon, you cant hide, we charge you with genocide!

I did not justify the denial of medical aid. but I do resist highly biased "field" reports. could you please provide me with the up-to-date numer of dead and bulldozed people? after all, guys, the justification for the operation is truly a subject for debate but from here to accusations of genocide and massacre.....I don't know where you are but to us it is quite funny......conspiracies, extermination.....the IDF is the people's army and unlike what you think, its soldiers are not animals. this kind of rhetoric and war time propaganda is well known to us.....it keeps coming back. don't think i like the situation -- it is horrible and needs to be resolved. but i disagree with palestinians playing the eternal victim part and avoid any responsibility.

Where are you? Are you in "the field" - how do you know the reports are biased? As far as getting an exact number of people who've been killed, observors and medics are under heavy gunfire by the IDF and cannot get to the dead and dying. Where are you getting your information, Yohay? Surely not from any "biased" sources.

It's kind of funny that you characterize all of us as being conspiracy theorists as you proceed to call Palestine Indymedia a vast conspiracy to subvert Israel.

I recognize that you might label me an anti-semite for this remark ,but I think Israelis denouncing Palestinians as playing the eternal victim is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I've been reading postings on Zionist websites that exploit the memories of Holocaust victims by using it as justification for the massacres of Palestinians. The Jewish Holocaust was absolutely disgusting and tragic, but it's disgraceful to use it to justify another round of genocide.

The whole world is watching and will make sure Sharon is prosecuted for his crimes against humanity. In the meantime, we have to do something!

reeding about the atrocities commited by the IDF. Feeling so helpless, sitting at home lacking nothing, it's difficult imagining how it must be to be short of water, food and electricity. What really harms me is that the descendants of the people, who suffered so much during the 2. World War, have developed into such inhuman beings - To be frank, if anyone is terrorists it's not the palestinians, after all its their country, and has been for several centuries.

I have decided to BOYCOTT everything and anything or anyone who openly supports that NAZI SHARON, why doesn't everyone do that, Boycott everything that is Israel until the Palestinians get their Palestine, ALL of West Bank and ALL of Gaza with no strings attached,like checkpoints everywhere, and agressive Neo-Nazi Rich European and American settlements.

The unfortunate truth is that Yohay (with whom I expect I disagree about everything else regarding this horror)is right about our not being able to trust these reports. Propaganda is always used by both sides in any conflict. See the report of three days ago -posted everywhere now- by the American woman (last name Ryter) in which she claims that 600 or 700 Palestinians have been killed. But no Palestinian sources were claiming this many dead three days ago. Or see Al-Jazeera's report that Belgium had severed ties with Israel, when in fact only a couple Belgian politicians had severed ties. The list goes on and on. (See Debka's site for the other side -unsubstantiated Israeli propaganda.) Our finding out the truth is exactly what Israel does NOT want -and they know just as well as the US government knows (it used the strategy in Afghanistan, for instance) that the easy way to do this is to restrict media access and then simply let the good underground reporting get spoiled by the propaganda. Atrocities are being committed in the occupied territories; innocents are being murdered; medical aid is being denied; and the soldiers are engaging in wanton brutality, all of this in violation of international law. This much is clear from the good reporting we have. But so long as sources like Al-Jazeera and others continue to publish hearsay and propaganda, these truths will pass virtually unnoticed, especially in the United States and Israel, where the government and the population actively want to ignore what's really going on.

http://www.abbc.com/islam/english/debate/bulshit.htm

I'm "losing my perspective." I can't stand knowing that this is going on, no matter how dubious or hysterical some of the reporting is. I keep hoping and praying that something good will come of it, that maybe at least the mask of lies is coming off and that national leaders and ordinary people will rise up in horror to stop this abomination that is sweeping the "civilised" world. Bush, Blair, Sharon: such evil men. I'm an ordinary person. I feel like I've died inside. But Bush grins when he talks about Iraq. More pain, more pain coming. I think judgement day is here.

KILL ALLJEWA
by HITLER WILL RETURN • Saturday April 06, 2002 at 04:55 PM
NAZXOXO 718628964147 NYC

I THINK ALL ARABS GET TOGATHER KILL ALL THE FUCKING JEWS THOSE SONS OF BITCHES.WITHOUT THE US THERE PUCNH OF PUSSIES CATS.THE FUCKING PIG SMELLS BETTER THEN THE JEWS

Today I joined with about 1,500 New Yorkers to march over the Brooklyn Bridge in solidarity with Palestine, against the occupation and for an end to US involvement in the region. It was inspiring. And many, many Jews and Arabs and Christians and the non-religious were among those marching.

Anti-Zionism is not anti-Jewish. Those who hate Jews are no better than Sharon. We should take a cue from the National Forces of Palestine who have always advocated the right of Jews to live in a secular democracy of Palestine. The issue is that Zionism doesn't allow Arabs to keep their lands, not that they are Jews.

Racists are the enemy, of any color.

publicize the situation. Go to the demnonstrations. I have been comforted today reading about the thousands all over the world protesting ( 10,000 (?) in New York, Texas, all over Indonesia, India, 10,000 in Paris, etc. Make signs that show you are Americans opposing the war. Best sign: Bush, call off youtr mad(e) dog Sharon! Send aid to the Palestinian villages. Above all, don't be silent, and don't stay isolated. There are hundreds of thousands of us who are crying in grief and anger.

and, oh yeah. go to Washington April 20.

Why are any of us even wasting out time addressing Yoyay, (there goes my first mistake). Let us talk positively amongst ourselves and enlighten each other with knowledge and facts instead of wasting time refuting futile arguments grounded in nothing but hatred. We work with love, and with love and truth as our weapons, we will be victorious!!

Third World Idiots
Victorious?
What a bunch of third world idiots you are.
The US laughs at your inability to do any thing other than blow up old women and old men. Why don't you save everyone some trouble and admit that you have ZERO chance in a real fight against the Jews.
Notify me when you are no longer pieces of shit.

yohay would debate while Ramellah burns. Clearly he is jewish, and pro israeli. Who else would doubt the avalanch of reports. This is what the europeans wuld have done in the 1930s while jews were being killed by the nazis. Shame.

Look at your allies. They are barbarians that would kill you in a heartbeat should you no longer suite their purpose.

they may not be animals to you because evidently you're the same. As for their being an army, I have my doubts. They are confused people driven by someone who is completely mad, Sharon.
I don't buy all this nonsense about anti-semitism, and it is about time you stopped playing the victim. Israel has its right to exist, and so does Palestine. Israel must leave the occupied territories, however. The whole world is protesting. Why is Israel showing such arrogance? Once it is over, those non-animals (as you call them) will realize what is the price to pay for having committed such atrocities. The ones who are in charge will have to face an international court of law; those who carried out the orders mindelessly will undoubtedly face madness.

I'm completely pro-palestinians, but I don't think that comments such as yours help anyone.
I went to the demonstration in NY today, and I've been following the events very closely -and am very upset by them.
However, I think it is important not to become bigots in the other sense, either. There were many Jews against the occupation at the demonstration, and there was even a anti-Israel demonstration in Tel Aviv today.
I'm neither a Jew nor an Arab. I'm talking on behalf of humanity, as I think everyone should. You could, if it makes you happy, compare Sharon to Hitler. But for God's sake, no, let's hope Hitler will never return.
And by the way, pigs (I mean the animals) should be respected, too.

I WOULD URGENTLY LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANY WAY POSSIBLE TO PRODUCE AND DISTRIBUTE NEWS INFORMATION BY INTERNATIONAL RADIO-- I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE BEGIN A NON-STOP 24HR NEWSRADIO PROGRAM ORIGINATING IN THE WEST BANK AND GAZA THAT IS PUT OUT IN VARIOUS LANGUAGES THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND NIGHT. IT IS NECESSARY TO REPORT NEWS AND EVENTS OCCURRING IN PALESTINE IN A MORE FORCEFUL , DIRECT, LIVING, REAL, AUDITORY, LIVE- LIVE- MANNER- REPORTING THIS WAY WOULD BE SO MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE; YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO REACH YOUR AUDIENCE PHYSICALLY; THE COMPUTERIZED NON-VERBAL METHODS AND MODES OF COMMUNICATION WE ARE OPERATING WITH HERE ARE SILENT--- YOU CANNOT HEAR PEOPLE REPORTING WHAT IS HAPPENING; YOU CANNOT SENSE THE HORROR AND TERROR THAT PALESTINIANS ARE GOING THROUGH- I CAN'T STAND THIS- I FEEL LIKE I'M SHOUTING AND NO ONE CAN HEAR ME- DO YOU SEE HOW INEFFECTIVE REPORTING BY COMPUTERS IS-- IF THERE ARE INTERNATIONALS THERE ALREADY IN JERUSALEM, BETHLEHEM, RAMALLAH, EVERYWHERE, THEN THEY SHOULD BE DEDICATING THEMSELVES TO PRODUCING NEWS PROGRAMS ON A RADIOSTATION THAT CAN BE TRANSMITTED INTERNATIONALLY IN ALL LANGUAGES IMAGINABLE-- THEY SHOULD BE REPORTING ON FIRE TO HELP STOP THE TERROR OVERTHERE---- I'M VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THESE POSTMODERN METHODS OF JOURNALISTIC COMMUNICATION WE ARE CURRENTLY USING--- IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT SOMEONE OR A GROUP OF PEOPLE BEGIN A MAJOR NEWSSTATION ON RADIO THAT WILL ALLOW NEWS CONCERNING PALESTINE TO BE HEARD--- INTERVIEWS OF PEOPLE LIVING IN REFUGEE CAMPS, SOUNDS OF PEOPLE IN PAIN, ANGER, FRUSTRATION--- CAN THE VOICE, THE VOICE LITERALLY, OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE BE HEARD?--- IT SHOULDN'T BE VERY DIFFICULT ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW-- YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET MASSIVE CONTRIBUTIONS AND DONATIONS FROM PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD WHO ARE ANGRY AND PROTESTING AGAINST THESE ASSASSINS, AGAINST THESE MURDERERS, AGAINST THESE CRIMINALS. THE CONTRIBUTIONS RECEIVED WILL CREATE THE CONDITONS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A NEWSRADIO SHOW THAT CAN TRANSMIT VERBALLY, WITH REAL SOUND-VOICE- ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE DISTRIBUTED AROUND AROUND THE WORLD. HOW SOON CAN WE START ON THIS PROJECT? CAN SOMEONE START THIS RIGHT AWAY---? WHY ARE PEOPLE MOVING SO SLOWLY OVERTHERE- ORGANIZE-- ORGANIZE-- ORGANIZE YOU HAVE THE ENTIRE WORLD CURRENTLY SUPPORTING YOU- ALL OF EUROPE IS PROTESTING FOR YOU- ALL OF THE MIDDLE EAST IS PROTESTING GOVERNMENT FOR YOU- YOU HAVE A LOT OF POWER RIGHT NOW- YOU HAVE THE ENITRE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY WATCHING WHAT IS HAPPENING OUT THERE-- USE THIS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE AND PRODUCE PRESS THAT CAN BE FELT AND HEARD--- EVERYONE... THE INTERNATIONALS IN THE WEST BANK NEED TO START MOBILIZING AND WORKING ON METHODS TO PRODUCE AND REPRESENT THE VOICE OF PALESTINE AND PALESTINIANS - I NEED TO HEAR WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE- I NEED TO HEAR WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE - COMPUTER MESSAGES HAVEN'T THE SAME POWER AND IMPACT THAT THE VOICE OF A PERSON- A MOTHER, A FATHER HAS---- THIS IS WHERE INTERNATIONAL PRESS GROUPS SHOULD JOIN TOGETHER- THEY SHOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER TO PRODUCE AN INTERNATIONAL NEWSRADIO STATION THAT REPORTS ALL NEWS AND EVENTS 24 HRS. A DAY. PLEASE COMMENT.

Last night reading independent media I found a most disturbing web site. For anyone who doubts that Sharon is leading a wholesale slaughter of Palestinian people-- I urge you to visit "http://indictsharon.net/" and read the testimony of those who experienced the terror of his invasions in 1982.

As an American, I am so angry at Bush. It is obvious Powell is galavanting around the mid east in order to give Sharon time to carry out his attack before Powell arrives. If he went right now and repeated the call to get out of the occupied territories and Sharon refused (as he would), Powell and Bush would look weak. So instead, they are playing this game.

If the US wanted to stop the violence they could. It gives Israel $2 billion a year in military aid. If we want to boycott Israel, then those of us who live in the US should quit paying taxes.

In solidarity with all who care about peace and justice!!

I would just ike to make a statement. I looked up semite in the dictionary, and it is not a jew, but 'a person from the middle-eastern region who speaks hebrew, arabic or other languages common there'. The media makes out a semite to be a jew. Arabs are semites too. So when Americans are being racist against arabs (media, 'ISLAM IS TERROR' headlines, etc) they are being anti-semitist, yet when one person mentions 'jew' in a negative way, they are being anti-semitist. Please spread the knowledge about this.

ABOUT THE SOFT AND THE DELICATE By Amos Oz

(interview with Ariel Sharon published in the Israeli daily
Davar Dec. 17, 1982)

"You can call me anything you like. Call me a monster or a
murderer. Just note that I don't hate Arabs. On the
contrary. Personally, I am much more at east with them, and
especially with the Bedouin, than with Jews. Those Arabs we
haven't yet spoilt are proud people, they are irrational,
cruel and generous. It's the Yids that are all twisted. In
order to straighten them out you have to first bend them
sharply the other way. That, in brief, is my whole ideology.

"Call Israel by any name you like, call it a Judeo-Nazi
state as does Leibowitz. Why not? Better a live Judeo-Nazi
than a dead saint. I don't care whether I am like Ghadafi. I
am not after the admiration of the gentiles. I don't need
their love. I don't need to be loved by Jews like you
either. I have to live, and I intend to ensure that my
children will live as well. With or without the blessing of
the Pope and the other religious leaders from the New York
Times. I will destroy anyone who will raise a hand against
my children, I will destroy him and his children, with or
without our famous purity of arms. I don't care if he is
Christian, Muslim, Jewish or pagan. History teaches us that
he who won't kill will be killed by others. That is an iron
law.

"Even if you'll prove to me by mathematical means that the
present war in Lebanon is a dirty immoral war, I don't care.
Moreover, even if you will prove to me that we have not
achieved and will not achieve any of our aims in Lebanon,
that we will neither create a friendly regime in Lebanon nor
destroy the Syrians or even the PLO, even then I don't care.
It was still worth it. Even if Galilee is shelled again by
Katyushas in a year's time, I don't really care. We shall
start another war, kill and destroy more and more, until
they will have had enough. And do you know why it is all
worth it? Because it seems that this war has made us more
unpopular among the so-called civilised world.

"We'll hear no more of that nonsense about the unique Jewish
morality, the moral lessons of the holocaust or about the
Jews who were supposed to have emerged from the gas chambers
pure and virtuous. No more of that. The destruction of Eyn
Hilwe (and it's a pity we did not wipe out that hornet's
nest completely!), the healthy bombardment of Beirut and
that tiny massacre (can you call 500 Arabs a massacre?) in
their camps which we should have committed with our own
delicate hands rather than let the Phalangists do it, all
these good deeds finally killed the bullshit talk about a
unique people and of being a light upon the nations. No more
uniqueness and no more sweetness and light. Good riddance."

"I personally don't want to be any better than Khomeini or
Brezhnev or Ghadafi or Assad or Mrs. Thatcher, or even Harry
Truman who killed half a million Japanese with two fine
bombs. I only want to be smarter than they are, quicker and
more efficient, not better or more beautiful than they are.
Tell me, do the baddies of this world have a bad time? If
anyone tries to touch them, the evil men cut his hands and
legs off. They hunt and catch whatever they feel like
eating. They don't suffer from indigestion and are not
punished by Heaven. I want Israel to join that club. Maybe
the world will then at last begin to fear me instead of
feeling sorry for me. Maybe they will start to tremble, to
fear my madness instead of admiring my nobility. Thank god
for that. Let them tremble, let them call us a mad state.
Let them understand that we are a wild country, dangerous to
our surroundings, not normal, that we might go crazy if one
of our children is murdered - just one! That we might go
wild and burn all the oil fields in the Middle East! If
anything would happen to your child, god forbid, you would
talk like I do. Let them be aware in Washington, Moscow,
Damascus and China that if one of our ambassadors is shot,
or even a consul or the most junior embassy official, we
might start World War Three just like that !" ......We are
talking while sitting on the balcony of the pretty country
house belonging to C. which is situated in a prosperous
Moshav. To the west we see a burning sunset and there is a
scent of fruit trees in the air. We are being served iced
coffee in tall glasses. C. is about fifty years old. He is a
man well known for his (military) actions. He is a strong,
heavy figure wearing shorts but no shirt. His body is tanned
a metallic bronze shade, the colour of a blond man living in
the sun. He puts his hairy legs on the table and his hands
on the chair. There is a scar on his neck. His eyes wander
over his plantations. He spells out his ideology in a voice
made hoarse by too much smoking:

"Let me tell me [sic] what is the most important thing, the
sweetest fruit of the war in Lebanon: It is that now they
don't just hate Israel. Thanks to us, they now also hate all
those Feinschmecker Jews in Paris, London, New York,
Frankfurt and Montreal, in all their holes. At last they
hate all these nice Yids, who say they are different from
us, that they are not Israeli thugs, that they are different
Jews, clean and decent. Just like the assimilated Jew in
Vienna and Berlin begged the anti-Semite not to confuse him
with the screaming, stinking Ostjude, who had smuggled
himself into that cultural environment out of the dirty
ghettos of Ukraine and Poland. It won't help them, those
clean Yids, just as it did not help them in Vienna and
Berlin. Let them shout that they condemn Israel, that they
are all right, that they did not want and don't want to hurt
a fly, that they always prefer being slaughtered to
fighting, that they have taken it upon themselves to teach
the gentiles how to be good Christians by always turning the
other cheek. It won't do them any good. Now they are getting
it there because of us, and I am telling you, it is a
pleasure to watch.

"They are the same Yids who persuaded the gentiles to
capitulate to the bastards in Vietnam, to give it in to
Khomeini, to Brezhnev, to feel sorry for Sheikh Yamani
because of his tough childhood, to make love not war. Or
rather, to do neither, and instead write a thesis on love
and war. We are through with all that. The Yid has been
rejected, not only did he crucify Jesus, but he also
crucified Arafat in Sabra and Shatila. They are being
identified with us and that's a good thing! Their cemeteries
are being desecrated, their synagogues are set on fire, all
their old nicknames are being revived, they are being
expelled from the best clubs, people shoot into their ethnic
restaurants murdering small children, forcing them to remove
any sign showing them to be Jews, forcing them to move and
change their profession.

"Soon their palaces will be smeared with the slogan: Yids,
go to Palestine! And you know what? They will go to
Palestine because they will have no other choice! All this
is a bonus we received from the Lebanese war. Tell me,
wasn't it worth it?

"Soon we will hit on good times. The Jews will start
arriving, the Israelis will stop emigrating and those who
already emigrated will

return. Those who had chosen assimilation will finally
understand that it won't help them to try and be the
conscience of the world. The 'conscience of the world' will
have to understand through its arse what it could not get
into its head. The gentiles have always felt sick of the
Yids and their conscience, and now the Yids will have only
one option: to come home, all of them, fast, to install
thick steel doors, to build a strong fence, to have
submachine guns positioned at every corner of their fence
here and to fight like devils against anyone who dares to
make a sound in this region. And if anyone even raises his
hand against us we'll take away half his land and burn the
other half, including the oil. We might use nuclear arms.
We'll go on until he no longer feels like it...

"...You probably want to know whether I am not afraid of the
masses of Yids coming here to escape anti-semitism smearing
us with their olive oil until we go all soft like them.
Listen, history is funny in that way, there is a dialectic
here, irony. Who was it who expanded the state of Israel
almost up the boundaries of the kingdom of King David? Who
expanded the state until it covered the area from Mount
Hermon to Raz Muhammad? Levi Eshkol. Of all people, it was
that follower of Gordon, that softie, that old woman. Who,
on the other hand, is about to push us back into the walls
of the ghetto? Who gave up all of Sinai in order to retain a
civilised image? Beitar's governor in Poland, that proud man
Menahem Begin. So you can never tell. I only know one thing
for sure: as long as you are fighting for your life all is
permitted, even to drive out all the Arabs from the West
Bank, everything.

"Leibowitz is right, we are Judeo-Nazis, and why not?
Listen, a people that gave itself up to be slaughtered, a
people that let soap to be made of its children and lamp
shades from the skin of its women is a worse criminal than
its murderers. Worse than the Nazis...If your nice civilised
parents had come here in time instead of writing books about
the love for humanity and singing Hear O Israel on the way
to the gas chambers, now don't be shocked, if they instead
had killed six million Arabs here or even one million, what
would have happened? Sure, two or three nasty pages would
have been written in the history books, we would have been
called all sorts of names, but we could be here today as a
people of 25 million!

"Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work
for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport
them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us, to
pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews,
so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it
means blowing up one or two synagogues here and there, I
don't care. And I don't mind if after the job is done you
put me in front of a Nuremberg Trial and then jail me for
life. Hang me if you want, as a war criminal. Then you can
spruce up your Jewish conscience and enter the respectable
club of civilised nations, nations that are large and
healthy. What you lot don't understand is that the dirty
work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it. True, it
could have been finished in 1948, but you interfered, you
stopped it. And all this because of the Jewishness in your
souls, because of your Diaspora mentality. For the Jews
don't grasp things quickly. If you open your eyes and look
around the world you will see that darkness is falling
again. And we know what happens to a Jew who stays out in
the dark. So I am glad that this small war in Lebanon
frightened the Yids. Let them be afraid, let them suffer.
They should hurry home before it gets really dark. So I am
an anti-Semite ? Fine. So don't quote me, quote Lilienblum
instead [an early Russian Zionist - ed.]. There is no need
to quote an anti-Semite. Quote Lilienblum, and he is
definitely not an anti-Semite, there is even a street in Tel
Aviv named after him. (C. quotes from a small notebook that
was lying on his table when I arrived:) 'Is all that is
happening not a clear sign that our forefathers and
ourselves...wanted and still want to be disgraced? That we
enjoy living like gypsies.' That's Lilienblum. Not me.
Believe me. I went through the Zionist literature, I can
prove what I say.

"And you can write that I am disgrace to humanity, I don't
mind, on the contrary. Let's make a deal: I will do all I
can to expel the Arabs from here, I will do all I can to
increase anti-semitism, and you will write poems and essays
about the misery of the Arabs and be prepared to absorb the
Yids I will force to flee to this country and teach them to
be a light unto the gentiles. How about it ?"

It was there that I stopped C.'s monologue for a moment and
expressed the thought passing through my mind, perhaps more
for myself than for my host. Was it possible that Hitler had
not only hurt the Jews but also poisoned their minds? Had
that poison sunk in and was still active? But not even that
idea could cause C. to protest or raise his voice. After
all, he said to have never shouted under stress, even during
the famous operations his name is associated with..."

Dangit!! Why doesn't anyone have a web cam?!? All you hackers should unite to get a live web cam with a good lens and get some not so grainy pictures! If anything the ICC should get wind.

what, time, and where in d.c. is happening april 20th? is it a demonstration? i think at least getting involved in demonstrations is one of the ways, probably the only thing we can do because it promotes awareness and shows that people are aware of what's going on. so please does anyone have more information on this april 20th thing?

The grossest violation of human rights heard of in a long time and no one got in on camera. Are you telling me that the billions of dollars Arafat has gotten haven't gone to buy one single camera that the residents of Jenin "refugee camp" could use to take pictures of the ladies strapped to tanks?

Give me a break... Reuters WOULD DIE TO PRINT THIS.... IF IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

i really don't understand how people can be so stupid.

not only don't they have a camera, they don't even have bread, medications etc.
tha't why it's called 'human rights violations".

you will understand when you're in their situation...

Ok people. This is not a war against Sharon; this is a war against Israel. This is a state that has fundaments of terror and expansionism.
Are you all blind, don�t you see that they are taking the land little by little. This is all planned, just read what David Ben Gurion once said: �When we become a weighty power after the creation of the State, we shall abolish the partition and we shall expand all over Palestine. The State will be only a stage in the realization of Zionism, and its task is to prepare the ground for our expansion. The State will have to maintain order not only by words, but by means of machine guns.�
Every time they occupy a territory they send in settlers, this built towns that become small cities and when this happens there is no way of regaining or moving them. If you attempt to obtain back your land you are called a terrorist.
They are taking the land in small bursts so that the world doesn�t notice it. We
need to put a stop to this; we need support from other countries (and forget US since you can consider it �Greater Israel�). The state of Israel should be destroyed (by this I don�t mean the deportation or killing of the present Jewish population), the territory should be again managed by a mixed cultural background. I would even dare to propose that the Israeli-Palestinian territory be annexed to a greater Arab country, for example Lebanon, to protect the Arab rights and balancing the racial power (by this I mean the monetary and political power.) <---Just a farfetched idea.

Is this interview with Sharon, i.e. these
quatations, are they authentic?
And what has Amos Oz to do with it?
Please answer

As far as I can tell it is, but I want to find out more.

It is an interview carried out by Amos Oz, the interview leaves the speaker named as "C". The entire interview aparently appears in the book 'In the Land of Israel' by Amos Oz, 1983.

What I want to know is where the spearker "C" was positively indentified as Sharon by Amos, does he do it in the book? It sure sounds like Sharon and most copys of the interview online claim it to be Sharon.

good to see you're still giving the bastards hell!

Oh, so you don't like someone else using the Eternal Victim idea.

Yonay, you sound like 80% of Americans who don't know what the fuck is going on. Do yourself a favor my friend read some history. But first take your head out of your ass.

"I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." -- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.

Hello. A book to read:

Alain Destexhe
Rwanda and genocide in the 20th century

Look at the three historical examples given of genocide:

1. the Turkish Mass murder of Armenians
2. the Nazi Holocaust
3. the Rwandan cataclysm

All planned, not spontanous crimes, and have three strong characteristics. 1. the consequence of a genocide always reaches beyond the target group and the country where it took place.
2. target ethnic or religious groups, is often accompanied by savage cruelty.
And 3. genocide has to be a collective act... the logic remains that of the collective.

A final point that I wanted to hightlight was from "the international indifference is a characteristic of all three cases of genocide this century."

That is why it is important to take a stand on the Israel/Palestine conflict.

About the interview of C. (Z. in the book of Oz), did you find any proof that he is Sharon? Thanks

I am an american of Irish descent and I just wanted to say to my Palestinian brothers and sisters out there, I support you. Israel is a bully state. I do not support Israel in anything that they are doing, and I wish we (US) would immediately cut all military, economic and political support for Israel.

Their propoganda machine has not obscured the truth for me. The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and property in order to clear the way for "Jewish only" neighborhoods is clearly ethnic cleansing whether the world wants to admit it or not. The murder of young Palestinian children who throw stones shows that the Israeli army is undisciplined and cruel. What kind of grown man would shoot a child that was throwing stones at him? They are sick racists.

It cracks me up. Many in the US say that those who financially/morally suported the jackasses who crashed into the World Trade Center are equally as guilty as the attackers themselves. They claim that they should be "taken out" (murdered), because they supported the murderers. We (the US) give Israeli murderers over $3 billion per year in military and economic support. Much of this military equipment is used directly against innocent Palestininan civilians. Yet we act like the Muslim world should not be upset with us.

If I had it my way, Israel would not get any money. I would arm and train the Palestinians with Apache helicopters and F16 jets, etc. I would like to see how the Israeli army would do with an even playing field.

Do not despair. We are not all fools the the pro-Israel lobby in this country. May God speed the day when Palestinians can receive justice. Tiocfaidh ar La. (that means "our day will come" in Irish.

Hey, "Hitler will return,"

The Palestinian cause is a just and undying one and even though we look for and try to earn support, we do not need racist comments like those you made. It is people like you who bring a bad name to the Palestinian people and if you think you are helping us, think again. For everyone else out there, the Isreali/American bullets, missiles, bombs, slander, propaganda etc. will never break our spirit for ours is one that burns deep, long live Palestine and may God Bless and be with it's people.

AMOS OZ INTERVIEW NOT WITH SHARON

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/news_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_86_1089802,00.html

Jensen: Quotes I attributed to Sharon were not his

This is a mea culpa.

I made a grievous error in not verifying the authenticity of 20-year-old quotes attributed to Ariel Sharon that I used in my Saturday column on the Israeli leader. As it turns out, they were made not by Sharon but another unnamed Israeli soldier who died 11 years ago.

The interview in question was conducted by Amos Oz, one of Israel's leading authors and prominent in the Peace Now movement. He had access to many Israeli generals and politicians of that era but identified some of his interview subjects only by letters of the alphabet, leaving it it up to his readers to decide who they were.

The interview with "Z" was published in the Israeli newspaper Davar on Dec. 17, 1982 (Davar ceased publication in 1996) and later republished in Oz's collection of interviews titled "In the Land of Israel." I was in both Beirut and Israel that year and remember the uproar it caused.

When the interview first appeared after the invasion of Lebanon, "Z" was widely assumed to be Sharon because the interviewee was described as a military man "with a certain history," about 50 years of age, heavyset and a prosperous farmer. All this fit the stocky Sharon, who had a farm, was the right age and certainly had "a history."

Sharon had lost his job as defense minister after being held indirectly responsible for a massacre of Palestinian refugees by Israel's Lebanese Phalange allies in Beirut. The military man interviewed by Oz justified the invasion of Lebanon, dismissed the massacre of Palestinians as one of the harsh realities of war -- "how can you call 500 Arabs a massacre?" -- and spoke contemptuously of Israeli pacifists as those with "soft and delicate hands."

Oz never revealed who "Z" was, saying he had promised to protect his identity. He held to that promise when I telephoned him Monday, but confirmed that it was not Sharon.

"I have never met or interviewed Sharon," Oz said.

The Middle East is full of mythology. History is rewritten to promote the viewpoints of Israelis or Palestinians and both sides in the conflict suffer from selective recall when it suits their purpose.

My job is to cut through mythology, not add to it.

So there it is. Another myth exploded, leaving much egg on my face. My critics will doubtless be delighted, and my supporters disappointed -- but not nearly as disappointed as I am in myself for not going to the source of those quotes in the first place. After 33 years in this business I should know better.

My apologies to all.

This may or may not be an interview with Sharon. It was published as an interview with "C." It may be another general. Does Sharon have a scar on his neck? I'm sure he thinks like this though....

Thanks to anonymous for this precision about the identity of C. or Z.
For Harry, i'm searching for photos of Sharon to find any scar on his neck. At this moment I don't find any proof. I'd just read an article who said "He was wounded in the battle for Latrun. (<1949)"

Even the esraelies kill palestinians people and done massacres without separing between children, younmen and women. they must know that muslim peaple (1,7 billion in all over the world) are waiting for the red light to enter Palestin and of course to do Aljihad like what Allah Says and his prophete. we are coming and whene we fight we we d it hardly. alt to jwefs.

OFFICIAL JENIN WEBSITE WWW.JENIN.ORGa>

INFORMATIVE SITES ON PALESTINIAN ORGANIZATIONS AND CITIES

http://WWW.JENIN.ORG
http://WWW.TULKAREM.ORG
http://WWW.FORCE17.ORG
http://WWW.ALAQSABRIGADE.ORG
http://WWW.PALESTINETV.ORG
http://WWW.BEITJALLA.COM
http://WWW.TANZIM.NET
http://WWW.FATAH.ORG.UK
http://WWW.HAMAS.ORG.UK

There are no Palistinians left in Israel. They have all been massacred.

were??? .............In your dreams?

KILL ALL OF THOSE DIRTY SAND NIGGERS!

It may hurt thier feelings

Since when does disagreeing with the violation of human rights make us anti-semites? Just because I completely disagree with and revile these diplomatically-cloaked military campaigns against the Palestinian people does not now mean that I hate my Jewish friend Jeremy and his family. But what I AM tired of is Israeli people trying to write off our feelings as mere 'anti-semitism'. I'm latin american for crying out loud, I know all about the underdog thing - spare me the BS. A war crime is a war crime is a war crime - doesn't matter who commits it - so grow up and take some responsibility for your actions. By their actions the Israeli people have sent a very clear message to the world and that is: 'don't fuck with Israel or Israel will fuck you up'.

I think you're all a bunch of lying hypocrites. Its amazing how the muslim countries of the middle east condemn israel in such a manner while they themselves are responsible for the suffering of the palestinian people and the endless murder and opression of their own peoples. If you arab countries would have accepted Israel in the first place there would be no Palestinian refugees. And what happened to all of the Jews you forced out of your own nations. Isn't it amazing how all of the refugees you created were absorbed into Israel while you chose to let your "Palestinian Brothers" suffer in poverty and deprevation in refugee camps to prove how evil Israel is. Who are the evil ones that choose to spill blood in stead of negotiate, whose politicians are all corrupt and live in luxury while the average person struggles under opression and poverty. Wake up muslims. Don't let the brainwashing you've been put through since birth keep you in oppression. It isn't the Jews or Israel who are responsible for your suffering. Your leaders just use it to take the focus away from your own suffering. Let the jews live in peace, and may peace come unto you.

Day after day I become more convinced that Israel is TERRORIST state...their crimes are beyond my understanding.

here's an example...
http://www.aljareemah.org/

SHAME ON THE CIVILIZED WORLD...SHAME ON YOU EUROPE TO LET SUCH TERRORIST STATE GET AWAY WITH IT...

Day after day, my hate for jews is growing and growing, the world has turn against them,and the ovens will be roasting those chopped dicks fuckers and the whores that they call mother soon again.

They will be wearing the shame of their people on their dried up skeletons, walking around in a daze, like in Germany of the good old days.

They brought back up the worst in humanity.
And they will have to pay for it.

i feel ashamed to be a human being when there are people like you in the world. Your ingnorance and hatred has cloudy your judgment. I may suuport israel and its aims. But i would never,never ever want any human being to be kept in the state that the jews in nazi germany where. I want to know the reasons why you hate the jews?

Where your family killed by them?
Where you abused by them?
Or are you jealous that they are richer and you are greedy and childish?

What about this website, i could show you the victims of bomb vistims and you would hopefully be as disgusted.

People like you are stopping peace and your views should not be listned to. But my hope in the human race is not fully gone I there are people out there that ignore your views and should go against your views.

I agree with comment Danny ashton I couldn't have put it better myself.

If a nation does not not in its origins know war then their is no such thing as peace.

'Without war there is no peace'

How else can you explain how an entire people can on the one hand praise their terrorism and on the other scream "lies" and "anti-semitism" whenever it's spoken about outside of Israel.

You people are sickening and the hatred you are acquiring stems from your actions. Just like the white South Africans during Apartheid, you will be hated. You are not hated now, but the more the truth slips through the cracks of the zionist controlled mainstream media, the more people will see through your lies.

The only way out of this cycle is to apologize for your wrongdoings and make reparations to the Palestinians. But you are so GREEDY and HATEFUL that this is an impossibility.

http://WWW.VOICEOFPALESTINE.ORG

How interesting that this site was hit by a spate of zio-spam soon after post about Joseph Farah's zionist terrorist fans!!

Here's an article I'm sure they hate:

Israeli Repression and the Language of Liars
I�m sorry, but I am over it. As a Jew, I am over it. And if my language seems too harsh here, that�s tough. Because it�s nothing compared to the sickening things said by Israeli leaders throughout the years. Like Menachem Begin, former Prime Minister who told the Knesset in 1982 that the Palestinians were �beasts walking on two legs.� Or former P.M. Ehud Barak, who offered a more precise form of dehumanization when he referred to the Palestinians as �crocodiles.�
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=13087

The Zionist Terrorists who love Joseph Farah

Without war, there can be no peace? That's like saying "without beating the shit out of each other, we'll never agree on anything". Is diplomacy a practice in futility? If it doesn't work, then why would the ideals behind diplomatic resolution of conflicts have been created to begin with? I'll tell you why, because for years people questioned whether or not your "without war, no peace" policy was effective and the answer consistently came back as a resounding "NO"!! I have said it before and I will say it again... a day will not pass without a drop of blood being shed maliciously as long as religious dogma serves as the backbone for the Mid-Eastern socio-political machine. Therefore, these wars will have no end. You, the Palestineans and Israelis, will fight until the last of you falls on the battlefields you once considered "sacred" lands. He who dwells in the past fails to see (and many times, destroys) the future. So all of you should collectively "pull your heads out of your asses" as it was so eloquently put before, or face the fact that you will know these wars for the remainder of your time spent on Earth.

The story is FIVE MONTHS OLD.

Not THAT concerned, are you?

Plus the Jenin "massacre" was a proven lie. A cheap PR attempt by Palestinian officals which backfired on them in the worse way.